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  Nate Here. I Chickened Out!

  by Jebediah Thunder in

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  the day of the surgery i cancelled.

  i was convinced i was going to croak during the *procedure*.

  my oldest sister thought so too.. .

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  Jebediah Thunder

  this sn only has a handful of posts. it was made only a matter of days before my nate merit account, not a long time before. all i need is a password for the [email protected] account
  
  thanks
  nate
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  Nate Here. I Chickened Out!

  by Jebediah Thunder in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the day of the surgery i cancelled.

  i was convinced i was going to croak during the *procedure*.

  my oldest sister thought so too.. .

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  Hi Ozzie
  
  I hope not. I tried to sign in as Nate Merit, but couldnt, thats why I used this sn.
  
  Ifn ya'll can gimme back the other sn, that would be grand.
  
  Nate
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  Nate Here. I Chickened Out!

  by Jebediah Thunder in

  1. jw
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  the day of the surgery i cancelled.

  i was convinced i was going to croak during the *procedure*.

  my oldest sister thought so too.. .

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  hey nate! glad you're still up and kicking! and i wish you the best in whatever route you choose to get better via. i sent you a PM to the nate account right before you were supposed to go under, but i see you still haven't read it. but that's okay, glad your still up for raising a ruckus! ;)

  cheers,

  ts
  
  Howdy TS!
  
  I'm glad your glad because I'm glad too. Brrrrrrrr! Getting cut open! Not 4 me if at all possible.
  
  I tried to get onto my Nate account so I could read my PM's, but couldnt. So I emailed TPTB.
  
  I cannot convey how relieved I am not to be undergoing surgery. At least right away.
  
  Its good to 'see' you.
  
  Oh. You'll love this if you have broadband or DSL.
  
  http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/dalailama
  
  Nate
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  Nate Here. I Chickened Out!

  by Jebediah Thunder in

  1. jw
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  the day of the surgery i cancelled.

  i was convinced i was going to croak during the *procedure*.

  my oldest sister thought so too.. .

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  Wow...I was really wondering how things went. Even called around some local hospitals since I thought you might live not too far from me. Sometimes those intuitions turn out to be correct, sometimes not. Hope whatever the problem is, it is resolved one way or another... I am personally quite skeptical of unproven medical claims, but I hope things do work out...
  
  HI LEOLAIA!
  
  Thanks for posting. Also for caring enough to call around. I live in Indio, which is about twenty miles southeast of Palm Springs. I'm bilious torpid and stupid today, a I always am after partaking of the Festive Foul.
  
  My father was helped by chelation therapy, but not to the extent that he was able to ultimately avoid going under the knife.
  
  I hope we hold a southern Cal apostafest soon.
  
  It's good to 'see' you again Leolaia.
  Nate
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  Nate Here. I Chickened Out!

  by Jebediah Thunder in

  1. jw
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  the day of the surgery i cancelled.

  i was convinced i was going to croak during the *procedure*.

  my oldest sister thought so too.. .

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  It's grand to 'see' you again Narkissos!
  
  I thought about my new friends here quite a lot, and found myself hoping we all have an Apostafest some day. Whoever coined that word deserves a medal.
  
  I'll bring the beer and pizza, you bring the dancing girls.
  
  
  Nate
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  Nate Here. I Chickened Out!

  by Jebediah Thunder in

  1. jw
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  the day of the surgery i cancelled.

  i was convinced i was going to croak during the *procedure*.

  my oldest sister thought so too.. .

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  Hi Kiddotan!
  
  It's good to 'meet' you. Have you been helped by accupuncture? My wife swears by it, but I have only had two treatments so far. One energized me, the other was relaxing.
  
  The doctor is from Hong Kong where she was born, raised, and trained. That gives me confidence in her, a confidence I wouldn't have in an American practicing a Chinese healing art. Call me crazy, but...well, call me crazy!
  
  Nate
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  Seminary education

  by Justin in

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  as has been demonstrated on this forum, the only two positions regarding religion which are logically consistent are fundamentalism and unbelief (whether of the atheist or agnostic variety).

  an in-between position, though some of us would like to hold it, is not logically persuasive.

  yet, that is exactly the situation which is produced in mainline (or "liberal") seminaries today.

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  Hi Justin
  
  Nate here, despite the silly moniker.
  
  From your post I conclude that, unless we have an gee-willickers actual inspired 'holy book' to go by, we're out in the cold without a metaphysical leg to stand on. Reading is fundamental, but isn't that a bit extreme? How did our primitive (and non-Christian) forbears (growl) experience the divine without Deities For Dummies (First edition)?
  
  Your conclusion is based on a cartload of epistemological (burp, I just ate toikey!) and ontological assumptions and presuppositions and suppositories.
  
  All of that book-larnin stuff aside, if there's a 'God' of any sort, even an impersonal Ground of Being, I rather think It's there whether It has authored a book or not.
  
  Our ancient ancestors (The ones in the filthy clothes with nonexistent oral hygiene) were quite convinced they experienced the divine, and they did so without books for a far longer period than books have existed. I will also repeat that the sacred writings of the world were written on two levels; the gross, coarse, obvious "literal" level for the spiritually dead and intellectually challenged, and the symbolic, which I LOOSELY refer to as 'allegorical.' "Mythological' is much more accurate a term than either, but I have found that I may as well be speaking medieval Russian backwards when I mention Myth to former Bible-believers. Or to most modern folks at all.
  
  Beyond the literal level of a Myth, which even a small girl or boy can understand and enjoy, lies the deeper, profound, meaning of the Myth. Ancient Myths were not just stories; the characters, animals, places, events, all symbolized a spiritual process that would take place in the deepest recesses of the consciousness of an Initiate if they were fortunate enough to be invited in to be initiated. Most people weren't invited for the same reasons modern day people wouldn't be invited. They simply didn't 'get' Myth, and could only think in literalistic terms. If the Flying Spaghetti Monster isn't literaly true, and it doesn't really pull Golden Meat Balls out of it's derrierre, then it simply has nothing truthful to say. That is how most folks mnds work.
  
  Mine works that way too. Extremely. I dumped all religion when I discoverd that Buddha, Lao Tzu (Now spelled Laozi, lousy), and (*sob*) even KRISHNA are Myths. Then, I found the late Dr. Joseph Campbell (before he became late) and, being an artsy-fartsy sort, I was soon able to resonate with Myth quite handily.

  YOU CAN TOO with the NEW AND IMPROVED Myth-O-Matic from POPEIL !
  
  Myths encode spiritual Truths, and actually work very well at releasing the inner experiences the Myths encode. I am now a Christian once more, in that I practice my spirituality in the context of the Christian Mythos. No, I do not have proof my inner experiences are objective reality, but I never did, even when I was a fundamentalist.
  
  If you wish to pursue this further, I'm sure your local library carries The Power of Myth in either DVD, VHS, or book form. Check out the VHS or DVD, it's much more fun than the book. Easier too, and more visceral in its effects.
  
  Nate
  "I'm just here for the halibut"
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  Nate Here. I Chickened Out!

  by Jebediah Thunder in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the day of the surgery i cancelled.

  i was convinced i was going to croak during the *procedure*.

  my oldest sister thought so too.. .

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  Jebediah Thunder

  Greetings
  
  The day of the surgery I cancelled. I was convinced I was going to croak during the *procedure*. My oldest sister thought so too.
  
  So, I have begun chelation therapy. Plus acupuncture. (Hey, it's covered by my insurance. It can't hurt, it might help) Now the surgeons want to cut open my neck to fuse a couple vertebra. Knife wielding maniacs, the entire lot of them.
  
  I tried to logon as Nate Merit but couldn't.
  
  Now, onto your messages!
  
  El Loco Pelon
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  What was Jesus's real name?

  by gumby in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  many of you migth know the archetypal jewish hero was joshua (the successor of moses) otherwise known as yeshua ben nun (?jesus of the fish?).

  since the name jesus (yeshua or yeshu in hebrew, ....ioshu in greek,...( source of the english spelling) , originally was a title (meaning ?saviour?, derived from ?yahweh saves?

  )......what was jesus's real name?

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  Jebediah Thunder

  Jesus Ben Miriam...or maybe Jesus Ben Joseph
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  I love this place

  by Jebediah Thunder in

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  open minds, free minds, free speech, free discussion of the latest crap from the tower (like the "new light" on "this generation").

  anyway, i plan on reading a lot of your posts and rejoicing with you that you've begun to see things as they are.. .

  i found this really mind blowing essay called jehovah unmasked.

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  Open minds, free minds, free speech, free discussion of the latest crap from the Tower (like the "new light" on "this generation")
  
  Anyway, I plan on reading a lot of your posts and rejoicing with you that you've begun to see things as they are.
  
  I found this really mind blowing essay called Jehovah Unmasked. I'm not saying I agree with it entirely, but it was some fascinating reading. I didnt want to stop. Maybe someone here who knows more than I do can critique it.
  
  http://www.jcnot4me.com/Items/theology/JEHOVAH_UNMASKED/jehovah_unmasked.htm
  
  Anyway, hi!
  Jebediah